Letter
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Hi Dave!
I'm glad you asked!
I like the idea of being able to rate artist/models, but I think it'd be
good to have more than just a number-ranking system -- I'd want comments,
to explain and a space to respond to comments.
As far as dealing with inappropriate behavior: if it's noted in the comments,
the offending model/artist/photographer would probably have a really hard
time finding anyone to work with, so no action on your part would be required....
I've seen something on the site, mentioning a "5 Monas" scale,
but I haven't been able to access any ratings; am I doing something
wrong, or is it not active yet?
Hope this helps!
MODEL
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The voting area has:
1) a 0-5 rating scale
2) A comment area
3) the ability to change your comment later
4) the ability for another member to respond to a comment
5) the ability to delete your rating altogether
Right now the models can only see and rate the members in the group leader
/ instructor category, and group leaders can only see and rate models.
I hope this helps. If you have more questions give me a Call.
Thanks,
Dave
214-526-5572
Letter
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1. Yes. I really see it in a positive way. The really good models get
high ratings. I don't necessarily rate the not so good, or
inappropriate ones. Our answer to that is simply not to hire them again
if the offense was egregious enough. We expect people to tell us about
problems with us.
GROUP LEADER
Letter
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YESSS!!!! rate the bastids
I have a creep who stiffed me last October! Uhhh, he didnt pay me, see??
lol
MODEL
Letter
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I'm not sure a "rating" system is appropriate or necessary, but
what about a message board that would allow comments to be posted anonymously,
but using our log in for access so that not just anybody can post to the
site and everyone can feel free to express themselves honestly without
fear of reprisal? I know I would appreciate knowing in advance if models
had bad experiences with someone I had never work with before and I'm sure
the reverse would be true.
MODEL
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A message board or forum has been suggested in the past. After talking
to others that run one I found out it takes a lot of monitoring time by
the web master.
The rating/comment areas of group leaders can not be seen by group leaders,
so you should not have to worry.
I hope this helps. If you have more questions give me a Call.
Thanks,
Dave
Letter
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1. Yes--Artists have a right to know what to expect in a model, and
models have a right to know what to expect when they are hired.
Models who have worked for years to build a reputation as reliable
professionals deserve to be paid top $ versus fly by night models who
can't even be expected to show up on time, if at all.
My suggestion is a graduated pay scale based on models experience,
reliability, etc. Let a model EARN his money by proving himself over
time. The current scale at The Art Institute is $18, $20, $22 per hour.
This scale should be published for the entire DFW art community to copy.
MODEL
Letter
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I ,for one, am very appreciative of your work and your commitment to seeing
that artist's models and their work are treated professionally.
1) Do you like the ability to rate facilitators and models. YES or NO
Yes, but as you said, you have enough to do so how would you go about doing
this? Do you mean as soon as you hear of a problem you immediately list
it on the website in some fashion?
MODEL
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No, I don't have to keep track of anyone. The Rating/Comment area does
that. If you have noticed, after you login go to "Life Sessions In
The DFW Area" you can see that some of the instructors have been rated
already.
I hope this helps. If you have more questions give me a Call.
Thanks,
Dave
Letter
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Yes to rating system!
MODEL
Letter
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Hi Dave, Yes, I think a rating system is a good idea.
MODEL
Letter
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Good afternoon! I'm sorry to ask but what would be considered unprofessional
behavior?
MODEL
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Things I have seen & heard:
Instructor / Facilitators that don't protect the model from folks coming
in to the room just to get a peek at the nude.
Not masking up door window
so shop teachers don't stare in.
A college video crew interring a nude life session unannounced. Cameras
rolling.
Models not being allowed to have any breaks for 3 hrs.
Models showing up late or not at all without a good reason, maybe more
than once.
a model telling the group about the different sex acts they have preformed.
Theses are just a few things I have heard over the years. But in general
most models and instructors do a good job!
Dave
Letter
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dave,
have only just been listed on your website and have only gone to one session
booked through it (which was a good experience). I think that a rating
system sounds fine but what would it rate? perhaps for facilitators - professional
behavior, proper notice of times, locations, clear expression of expectations,
and prompt payment? and for models - professional behavior, timely arrival,
and adequate notice of cancellations?
hope this helps.
MODEL
Letter
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Hey Dave,
I vote to keep the rating system. Like we talked about, the only thing I
believe might be good is some
sort of notice to models and art groups when a rating is made... Expecially
if its very positive or very
negative. After all, feedback can be good - whether good or bad. Just my
thought on it.
Have a good one,
MODEL
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A notification system has many potential problems. I have always felt that
the model and instructors must communicate openly with each others. This
will make a great creative relationship.
Dave
Letter
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Dave,
i can appreciate the problem and always realize we draw from a group that
is chronically underemployed, or undereducated and have their own set of
problems, usually far more bizzare than ours. For example, I called a couple
of gals for this xxxxx night, and one was very casual about getting back
to me, still hasn't, and the one I booked made a real effort to track me
down. Rating is probably not a bad idea. Maybe the way E-bay does it might
work. good luck. I still can't believe you do all this hard work for us
group leaders and make our lives so much easier. Thank you, thank you.
GROUP LEADER
Letter
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Dave,
To answer question #1 - YES -- BUT it is a bit of a loaded situation. It
allows a forum for tacky people to rate others poorly if they're just being
tacky or rude or spiteful. So at first I thought perhaps a comment section
sort of like the rating area on PayPal. But then you could have a ridiculous
going-back-and-forth. I suppose you could set up a rating system and just
assume that people will handle that professionally. But then one would
assume that we'd all be professional from the get-go and the rating system
wouldn't be needed in the first place.
So, that said. I'm okay with it if you feel it will be helpful. But I'm
wondering if it wouldn't be easier for you to just let word of mouth take
care of the problem.
Good luck,
MODEL
Letter
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1) Do you like the ability to rate facilitators and models. YES or NO
NO
2) If \"NO\" what should be done to deal with inappropriate behavior.
Word gets around quickly whom you can rely on and whom you can't. I don't
think
it's necessary. It could really cause more problems than it's worth.
If a rating system is agreed upon, I would request not to be part of the rating
system.
MODEL
Letter
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Yes, it is kind of a tough one.
I liked the rating idea, but after I submitted a few, I thought this could lead
to some sticky situations. You are almost safer not having it and putting a disclaimer
on the site. If I were you, I'd nix the rating system. We figure out who the
good models are, and you could stress on the site for models to check out groups
and artists before they commit. I've offered models to come by and check out
my studio before showing up for a group. Just by offering, I think that makes
them feel more comfortable.
An idea I had was that you could have artists & models list references. For
example, I could use Elizabeth and Liza and a few others as references for any
models who haven't worked with me. I have offered this in the past. Several times
I've mentioned models I've worked with, many already know each other. Models
could do the same with artists.
GROUP LEADER
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Having folks call around to check up on a member before working with them is
a good idea. Many already do this. Unfortunately I am the one that gets most
of these calls. I don't mind it now and then, but it's getting a bit much.
As far as a reference area on some ones profile, it can be email only. Folks
may not get the feedback they want quick enough. I will think more about it,
because it sounds good.
Thanks,
Dave
Letter
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In regards to models, I think it is fair to expect facilitators to keep
up with who they liked and who they did not. I do not see a need for a
rating system
for models. A bad experience with a model, or repeted bad experiences should
cause facilitators to simply cross their name out, and not use that model for
future sessions.
The only thing that I could see being beneficial is a possible rating system
for facilitators. I say this because I know I have had bad experiences with individual
artists (Actually an artist at the classes you instructed Dave!), and I would
hate if another model, (who usually shows up alone in a foreign environment as
I did) would be placed in that same position if it could be prevented by a rating
system. I think this would work as a reference for us models, who usually don't
get any kind of warning of what kind of environment or artists we are dealing
with.
But I am pretty bendable on this issue, whatever the majority decides I am willing
to work with. Thanks for all your time and effort with the site Dave!
MODEL
Letter
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yes to the rating system. but can we check our ratings? i know that two
facilitators
have rated me but i can't figure out how to see the ratings...
thanks for all your work.
MODEL
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By logging in you can only view the Ratings/Comments that the other models have
posted.
Letter
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Hey.. Just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work you do! I have enjoyed this
site very much!
Answer to your Question: YES
I feel like if there is inappropriate behavior they should be informed
once... but somehow have a small icon on there profile to let others know
that they have been advised to stop. Then if it happens again .. You HAVE
BEEN DELETED.. and band for at least 3 months!
Well have a great weekend!
MODEL
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At this time it would be too hard to program and monitor an auto warn/delete
rating system.
Thanks,
Dave
Letter
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Dave,
I think an approval rating is a good idea. We have been fortunate and
have not had a problen yet, except that one model I got off your web
site did not bother to cancel. I would definately like to be able to
share and recieve information regarding reliability, etc.
Thank you for all your work.
Sincerely,
GROUP LEADER
Letter
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Hi Dave. I would
like to thank you for offering such a
good site. I'm also responding to your question about
behaviour between the artists' and models - Yes! I
think rating is a good idea. Have a nice day!
MODEL
Letter
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1) Do you like the
ability to rate facilitators and models.
NO
2) If \"NO\" what
should be done to deal with inappropriate behavior.
(Please do not suggest that I keep any type of \"3 strikes and your
out\" tally. I have enough work to do as it is.)
Dave, my feelings are that repeated inappropriate behavior on the part
of models or facilitators should be dealt with by you (given reliable
feedback) by eliminating them from the site. Putting negative information
about them on the site just fuels resentment, ill feelings, and may open
you up to some liability. Bad behavior by models usually gets around
and the problem takes care of itself because the facilitators that book
a lot of models know who to stay away from. I have been rather lucky
in regard to facilitators because all have conducted their classes professionally.
I suspect that facilitators that violate professional standards would
also, given time, find it difficult to find good models (at least more
than a first time). Just my two cents. The site is very well done, and
quite a valuable resource for the figurative art community.
GROUP LEADER
I look forward to hearing from you All.
Letter
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Dave:
When I saw the rating system on the sight, I thought it was just to give an idea
of how good the models were - i.e., whether they could hold the pose, whether
they needed too much direction, whether they showed up on time, whether their
quick poses were dull or adequate or inspiring.... that sort of thing. Even
at that I thought it was kind of too public a forum and some people might
be discouraged from modeling if they didn't get good ratings. Policing the
site for inappropriate behavior takes
it a step further into Big Brother. I personally always schedule an interview
with the model and show them the studio and the type of environment they will
be asked to pose in before I actually hire them for a session. That way you get
a feel for what they are like in advance, and they you. It just seems like a
rating system opens itself up for both hurt feelings and even, perhaps, intentional
abuse. I have been drawing from models for years and have never heard of such
a thing, so I guess my vote
would be no.
GROUP LEADER
Letter
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yes i think that
a rating system would be a good idea
MODEL
Letter
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yes, I do like that
ability simply because it creates neutrality.
MODEL
Letter
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I think a rating
system is great! We all strive for professionalism, and if
everyone starts off with a clean slate to begin with, it would really
help
when making a decision about hiring models. Those who are on time,
reliable, and easy to work with deserve to be recognized and well paid.
GROUP LEADER
Letter
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Yes I think a rating
system would be good
MODEL
Letter
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Hey Dave...
1. Yes
2. You might consider some type of bulletin board for facilitators and/or
models where we can post our complaints and it is only accessible by
password?
GROUP LEADER
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